Well, well, well.........
Denver Snuffer has been excommunicated...who would've seen that coming. Many are surprised on the LDSFF that this could happen. I saw this coming along time ago.
Denver publishes a book which contradicts official Church doctrine, refuses to repent and stop his apostate behavior so therefore he is excomunicated and now it's all the Church's fault. I really hope that Denver will swallow his pride and change before it is too late. I believe that Denver has been deceived by one who can appear as an angel of light.
Some on the LDSFF think that Denver is the mighty and strong one spoken of in the scriptures despite the fact The First Presidency issued a statement saying it was Bishop Edward Partridge.
Others think Denver is a "Samuel the Lamanite" which just isn't the case. The Lord has in place his chosen servants and will work through them to administer to the Church. The Lord's pattern has been established in this the last dispensation of the fulness of times. There will be no more general apostasy. There will however be personal apostasy from the truth. How complicated can people make the Gospel?
The sifting continues........
Saturday, September 14, 2013
Friday, July 12, 2013
Is Chicagoelder angry or bitter?
While reading some of the comments of The LDSFF, I see some would like to think that I'm a angry and or bitter individual. This is not true. I'm actually quite happy and cheerful! I just have no patience with individuals who claim to be LDS and who take it upon themselves to criticize and slander the leadership of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints.
It's seems as though some on the LDSFF look for every chance to murmur. They gripe and complain about everything under the sun. They think they know better than the Brethren. To take to public forms and to cast doubt on the Leadership of The LDS Church is in my opinion Apostate behavior.
Heber C. Kimball, while serving as a counselor to President Brigham Young, reported:
“I will give you a key which Brother Joseph Smith used to give in Nauvoo. He said that the very step of apostasy commenced with losing confidence in the leaders of this church and kingdom, and that whenever you discerned that spirit you might know that it would lead the possessor of it on the road to apostasy.” (Deseret News, Apr. 2, 1856, p. 26)
I'm simply sounding the warning voice that some on the LDSFF are on the pathway to Apostasy.
There are a lot of Good people on LDSFF that post a lot of uplifting things for which I'm thankful for.
It's seems as though some on the LDSFF look for every chance to murmur. They gripe and complain about everything under the sun. They think they know better than the Brethren. To take to public forms and to cast doubt on the Leadership of The LDS Church is in my opinion Apostate behavior.
Heber C. Kimball, while serving as a counselor to President Brigham Young, reported:
“I will give you a key which Brother Joseph Smith used to give in Nauvoo. He said that the very step of apostasy commenced with losing confidence in the leaders of this church and kingdom, and that whenever you discerned that spirit you might know that it would lead the possessor of it on the road to apostasy.” (Deseret News, Apr. 2, 1856, p. 26)
I'm simply sounding the warning voice that some on the LDSFF are on the pathway to Apostasy.
There are a lot of Good people on LDSFF that post a lot of uplifting things for which I'm thankful for.
Saturday, July 6, 2013
Letter to AussieOI
The other day in the apostate world on LDSFF my dear fan AussieOI had this to say,
by AussieOi » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:46 pm
by AussieOi » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:46 pm
"To think, wackjobs like this get unsupervised access to teach children their own version of religion.
I'm glad this person was banned from here"
I'm glad this person was banned from here"
Dear Aussie,
I am not unsupervised in teaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ to my kids. I am guided by the Holy Spirit. Unlike you I teach my children the importance of keeping the commandments. Unlike you I teach my children the importance of paying tithing. Unlike you I teach my children to sustain and follow their leaders with FAITH. I teach them to pray about all things. Unlike you I will encourage my children to serve full-time missions for the LDS Church. All in all I teach them to be good and faithful Latter-Day Saints.
In closing you should add to your moniker (I'm not a Mormon) I'm not a Latter-Day Saint either.
You do not believe in or espouse the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
P.S. I did not get banned from the LDSFF....I'm still there!
Tuesday, July 2, 2013
Open letter to LDSFF
About 2 years ago I was introduced to the LDSFF (LDS Freedom Forum) At the time there was alot of good stuff to learn and good people to discuss with. Now 2 years later the LDSFF is full of people who like to criticize the LDS leadership and slander them at the drop of a hat. Some on the LDSFF like to accuse the LDS leaders of leading us astray. Some like to accuse the LDS leaders of using tithing funds inappropriately. Some like to accuse the LDS leaders of not being inspired. The list goes on and on.
I will not sit idly by while these apostates or nay sayers spout their garbage. I will expose them for who they are. They say we shouldn't trust in the arm of flesh....which I agree. We should pray about everything we hear and or read. However that doesn't negate the fact that we should not speak evil of the Lord's anointed servants who are The Prophets and Apostles and other leaders who are called of God.
Elder Dallin H. Oaks taught:
"In our relations with all of our church leaders—local or general, male or female—we should follow the apostle Paul's direction: "Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father." (1 Tim. 5:1.)
These apostates claim that the Prophets and Apostles do not hold the keys of the kingdom. They also claim there is no need for physical ordinances. And these are supposed members of the LDS Church?
The Lord is quite clear:
"Cursed are all those that shall lift up the heel against mine anointed, saith the Lord, and cry they have sinned when they have not sinned before me, saith the Lord, but have done that which was meet in mine eyes, and which I commanded them.
"But those who cry transgression do it because they are the servants of sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves. And those who swear falsely against my servants, that they might bring them into bondage and death—wo unto them; because they have offended my little ones they shall be severed from the ordinances of mine house.
"Their basket shall not be full, their houses and their barns shall perish, and they themselves shall be despised by those that flattered them. They shall not have right to the priesthood, nor their posterity after them from generation to generation. It had been better for them that a millstone had been hanged about their necks, and they drowned in the depth of the sea." (D&C 121:16-22.)
President George F. Richards of the Council of the Twelve said in a conference address in April 1947: "When we say anything bad about the leaders of the Church, whether true or false, we tend to impair their influence and their usefulness and are thus working against the Lord and his cause."
This is why the Holy Ghost will not guide or confirm criticism of the Lord's anointed or of church leaders, local or general. This is why we are commanded and counseled to refrain from criticism of church leaders. It is for our own spiritual well-being.
Some also do not understand that faultfinding is spiritually destructive to those who engage in it, and that members who engage in personal criticism of church leaders isolate themselves from the Spirit of the Lord. There are ways to differ with church leaders, but they are the Lord's ways, not the world's ways.
Elder Neal A Maxwell stated, A few in the Church today choose to meet their defining moments by separating themselves from the Church and its leaders. A few set themselves up in open rebellion as a substitute light (see 2 Ne. 26:29). (Lord, Increase Our Faith, p. 92.)
A few quotes from Elder Maxwell:
"The enemies and the critics of the Lord's work will not relent; they only regroup. Even among the flock, here and there and from time to time, are a few wolves, wearing various styles of sheep's clothing-ironically, just before the shearing season! A few defectors and "highminded" traitors (2 Tim. 3:4) even go directly to the "great and spacious building" to hire on (1 Ne. 8:26). There recruits are celebrated and feted until-like their predecessors-they have faded into the dark swamps of history." (Ensign, May 1988, p. 9.)
"Church members will live in this wheat-and-tares situation until the Millennium. Some real tares even masquerade as wheat, including the few eager individuals who lecture the rest of us about Church doctrines in which they no longer believe. They criticize the use of Church resources to which they no longer contribute. They condescendingly seek to counsel the Brethren whom they no longer sustain. Confrontive, except of themselves of course, they leave the Church but they cannot leave the Church alone." (Ensign, May 1996, p. 68.)
"Some murmurers seem to hope to reshape the Church to their liking by virtue of their murmuring. But why would one want to belong to a church that he could remake in his own image, when it is the Lord's image that we should come to have in our countenances? (See Alma 5:19.) The doctrines are His, brothers and sisters, not ours. The power is His to delegate, not ours to manipulate!" (Ensign, November 1989, p. 83.)
"Trying to run ahead of the leaders is, in effect, trying to preempt their role as shepherds of the flock. As with the shepherds in the Middle East, prophets are to lead the flock; they do not herd the flock, nor do they merely follow it.Â… To run ahead is to say in effect that we, and not the prophets, know best, especially if we try to take some of the flock with us." (All These Things Shall Give Thee Experience, pp. 105, 106.)
These quotes apply to many on the LDSFF. I have seen some LDSFF members who have been silenced for supporting the brethren. I have seen some people get banned because they cast doubt on Denver Snuffer or Doug Mendenhall.
So the webmaster of LDSFF would chide me for "verbally attacking" others with different opinions but yet at the same time he and his mods silence those with differing opinions....hypocritical much?
I think so!
Many are on the slippery slope to Apostasy...beware it's to your own peril!
I will not sit idly by while these apostates or nay sayers spout their garbage. I will expose them for who they are. They say we shouldn't trust in the arm of flesh....which I agree. We should pray about everything we hear and or read. However that doesn't negate the fact that we should not speak evil of the Lord's anointed servants who are The Prophets and Apostles and other leaders who are called of God.
Elder Dallin H. Oaks taught:
"In our relations with all of our church leaders—local or general, male or female—we should follow the apostle Paul's direction: "Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father." (1 Tim. 5:1.)
These apostates claim that the Prophets and Apostles do not hold the keys of the kingdom. They also claim there is no need for physical ordinances. And these are supposed members of the LDS Church?
The Lord is quite clear:
"Cursed are all those that shall lift up the heel against mine anointed, saith the Lord, and cry they have sinned when they have not sinned before me, saith the Lord, but have done that which was meet in mine eyes, and which I commanded them.
"But those who cry transgression do it because they are the servants of sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves. And those who swear falsely against my servants, that they might bring them into bondage and death—wo unto them; because they have offended my little ones they shall be severed from the ordinances of mine house.
"Their basket shall not be full, their houses and their barns shall perish, and they themselves shall be despised by those that flattered them. They shall not have right to the priesthood, nor their posterity after them from generation to generation. It had been better for them that a millstone had been hanged about their necks, and they drowned in the depth of the sea." (D&C 121:16-22.)
President George F. Richards of the Council of the Twelve said in a conference address in April 1947: "When we say anything bad about the leaders of the Church, whether true or false, we tend to impair their influence and their usefulness and are thus working against the Lord and his cause."
This is why the Holy Ghost will not guide or confirm criticism of the Lord's anointed or of church leaders, local or general. This is why we are commanded and counseled to refrain from criticism of church leaders. It is for our own spiritual well-being.
Some also do not understand that faultfinding is spiritually destructive to those who engage in it, and that members who engage in personal criticism of church leaders isolate themselves from the Spirit of the Lord. There are ways to differ with church leaders, but they are the Lord's ways, not the world's ways.
Elder Neal A Maxwell stated, A few in the Church today choose to meet their defining moments by separating themselves from the Church and its leaders. A few set themselves up in open rebellion as a substitute light (see 2 Ne. 26:29). (Lord, Increase Our Faith, p. 92.)
A few quotes from Elder Maxwell:
"The enemies and the critics of the Lord's work will not relent; they only regroup. Even among the flock, here and there and from time to time, are a few wolves, wearing various styles of sheep's clothing-ironically, just before the shearing season! A few defectors and "highminded" traitors (2 Tim. 3:4) even go directly to the "great and spacious building" to hire on (1 Ne. 8:26). There recruits are celebrated and feted until-like their predecessors-they have faded into the dark swamps of history." (Ensign, May 1988, p. 9.)
"Church members will live in this wheat-and-tares situation until the Millennium. Some real tares even masquerade as wheat, including the few eager individuals who lecture the rest of us about Church doctrines in which they no longer believe. They criticize the use of Church resources to which they no longer contribute. They condescendingly seek to counsel the Brethren whom they no longer sustain. Confrontive, except of themselves of course, they leave the Church but they cannot leave the Church alone." (Ensign, May 1996, p. 68.)
"Some murmurers seem to hope to reshape the Church to their liking by virtue of their murmuring. But why would one want to belong to a church that he could remake in his own image, when it is the Lord's image that we should come to have in our countenances? (See Alma 5:19.) The doctrines are His, brothers and sisters, not ours. The power is His to delegate, not ours to manipulate!" (Ensign, November 1989, p. 83.)
"Trying to run ahead of the leaders is, in effect, trying to preempt their role as shepherds of the flock. As with the shepherds in the Middle East, prophets are to lead the flock; they do not herd the flock, nor do they merely follow it.Â… To run ahead is to say in effect that we, and not the prophets, know best, especially if we try to take some of the flock with us." (All These Things Shall Give Thee Experience, pp. 105, 106.)
These quotes apply to many on the LDSFF. I have seen some LDSFF members who have been silenced for supporting the brethren. I have seen some people get banned because they cast doubt on Denver Snuffer or Doug Mendenhall.
So the webmaster of LDSFF would chide me for "verbally attacking" others with different opinions but yet at the same time he and his mods silence those with differing opinions....hypocritical much?
I think so!
Many are on the slippery slope to Apostasy...beware it's to your own peril!
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